{"id":1785,"date":"2018-07-03T13:36:36","date_gmt":"2018-07-03T17:36:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/?p=1785"},"modified":"2018-07-03T19:26:27","modified_gmt":"2018-07-03T23:26:27","slug":"the-renowned-father-z-takes-a-look-at-the-status-of-the-sspx-on-the-30th-anniversary-of-the-episcopal-consecrations","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/2018\/07\/the-renowned-father-z-takes-a-look-at-the-status-of-the-sspx-on-the-30th-anniversary-of-the-episcopal-consecrations\/","title":{"rendered":"The Renowned Father &#8220;Z&#8221; Takes a Look at the Status of the SSPX on the 30th Anniversary of the Episcopal Consecrations; Interview With Bishop Fellay"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 class=\"entry-title\"><a title=\"Permalink to 30 years after the Ec\u00c3\u00b4ne Consecrations: SSPX Bp. Fellay interviewed\" href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2018\/06\/30-years-after-the-econe-consecretions-sspx-bp-fellay-interviewed\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">30 years after the Ec\u00c3\u00b4ne Consecrations: SSPX Bp. Fellay interviewed<\/a><\/h2>\n<div class=\"entry-meta\"><span class=\"meta-prep meta-prep-author\">Posted on<\/span> <a title=\"6:53 PM\" href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2018\/06\/30-years-after-the-econe-consecretions-sspx-bp-fellay-interviewed\/\" rel=\"bookmark\"><span class=\"entry-date\">30 June 2018<\/span><\/a> <span class=\"meta-sep\">by<\/span> <span class=\"author vcard\"><a class=\"url fn n\" title=\"View all posts by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf\" href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/author\/fatherz\/\">Fr. John Zuhlsdorf<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"irc_mi\" src=\"https:\/\/i.ytimg.com\/vi\/HZWCmXucazQ\/maxresdefault.jpg\" alt=\"Image result for photos of archbishop marcel lefebvre\" width=\"325\" height=\"195\" \/><\/p>\n<p>29 June 1988.\u00c2\u00a0 French Archbp. Marcel Lefebvre consecrated bishops without pontifical mandate.\u00c2\u00a0 He, thus defied John Paul II who had personally appealed to him, create an ambiguous state for the SSPX which he founded, and incurred with the bishops who participated an excommunication.<\/p>\n<p>This move prompted the creation of the Pontifical Commission \u00e2\u20ac\u0153<em>Ecclesia Dei<\/em>\u00e2\u20ac\u009d (where I worked 89-97) as well as the foundation of the Fraternity of St. Peter.\u00c2\u00a0 Some traditional groups who had been hitherto aligned with the SSPX chose to realign manifestly with the Holy See.<\/p>\n<p>The SSPX insists that they have not separated from Rome.<\/p>\n<p>Over the years, talks between the SSPX and the Holy See have followed a sine wave without resolution.\u00c2\u00a0 Arcbp. Lefebvre, the great missionary in Africa and Council Father, died in 1991.\u00c2\u00a0 In 2009 Benedict XVI lifted the 1988 excommunications on the living bishops, though in 2012 one of them was expelled by the SSPX.\u00c2\u00a0 In 2013, Francis became Pope.\u00c2\u00a0 Francis said that the priests of the SSPX could validly absolve sins during the 2015 Year of Mercy, which was extended by him thereafter.\u00c2\u00a0 In 2017, the same Pope said that they could witness marriages, with cooperation of the local diocese.<\/p>\n<p>The SSPX has nearly 700 priests worldwide.\u00c2\u00a0 My personal meetings with them have been nearly always very positive.<\/p>\n<p>30 years on, there are many issues to work through.\u00c2\u00a0 The SSPX will soon hold a meeting of their members to determine their near future.<\/p>\n<p>The Superior of the SSPX, one of the bishops consecrated in 1988, H.E. Bernard Fellay, recently gave an <a href=\"https:\/\/fsspx.news\/fr\/entretien-de-mgr-bernard-fellay-dans-le-tagespost-du-28-juin-2018-39081\">interview to the\u00c2\u00a0<em>Tagespost<\/em><\/a>.\u00c2\u00a0 \u00c2\u00a0 German <a href=\"https:\/\/www.die-tagespost.de\/politik\/pl\/Wir-sind-ein-Stoerfaktor-in-der-Kirche;art315,189970\">HERE<\/a>.\u00c2\u00a0 French <a href=\"https:\/\/fsspx.news\/fr\/entretien-de-mgr-bernard-fellay-dans-le-tagespost-du-28-juin-2018-39081\">HERE<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>One of the questions that caught my eye involves something that I have wondered about for years.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Why have you not strengthened the ranks of traditionalists within the Church and fought for the truth in unity with Rome?<\/p>\n<p>This is partly due to the history of the French. Since the French Revolution, a good number of French Catholics have been fighting against the error of liberalism. Therefore, events during and after the Council were perceived there much more acutely and urgently than in Germany. It was not about blatant errors, but about trends aiming at opening doors and windows. The reforms which followed showed this more clearly than the Council itself. The problem crystallized with the new mass. In Rome, Archbishop Lefebvre was told: \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Either \u00e2\u20ac\u201c or. Celebrate the new Mass once, and everything is sorted out.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d Our arguments against the new Mass did not matter. The Missal of Paul VI; written in collaboration with Protestant theologians. If one is forced to celebrate this Mass, then there really is a problem.\u00c2\u00a0 And we were forced.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here is another interesting bit\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Do you personally trust the Holy Father, Pope Francis?<\/p>\n<p>We have a very good relationship. If we let him know that we are in Rome, his door is open to us. He helps us on a smaller scale. He told us, for example, \u00e2\u20ac\u0153I have problems when I do something good for you. I help Protestants and Anglicans, <strong>why can not I help Catholics<\/strong>? Some want to prevent an agreement because we are a disruptive element in the Church. The Pope is in between.<\/p>\n<p>(He smiles and shows a handwritten letter that the Holy Father addressed to him in French, which begins with the greeting \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Dear brother, dear son\u00e2\u20ac\u009d)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I remain astonished at the lack of generosity and charity that the Left \u00e2\u20ac\u201c like Beans and Cricket and crew \u00e2\u20ac\u201c show toward the SSPX, towards all Catholic tradition, and, apparently, how they hold Pope Francis\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 desires for them in contempt.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>30 years after the Ec\u00c3\u00b4ne Consecrations: SSPX Bp. Fellay interviewed Posted on 30 June 2018 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf 29 June 1988.\u00c2\u00a0 French Archbp. Marcel Lefebvre consecrated bishops without pontifical mandate.\u00c2\u00a0 He, thus defied John Paul II who had personally appealed to him, create an ambiguous state for the SSPX which he founded, and incurred [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1785","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1785","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1785"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1785\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1785"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1785"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1785"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}