{"id":1528,"date":"2017-11-25T00:12:27","date_gmt":"2017-11-25T05:12:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/?p=1528"},"modified":"2017-11-25T00:12:27","modified_gmt":"2017-11-25T05:12:27","slug":"catholics-and-non-catholics-receive-communion-together-in-ecumenical-mass-promoted-by-turin-archdiocese","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/2017\/11\/catholics-and-non-catholics-receive-communion-together-in-ecumenical-mass-promoted-by-turin-archdiocese\/","title":{"rendered":"Catholics and non-Catholics Receive Communion Together in \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Ecumenical Mass\u00e2\u20ac\u009d Promoted by Turin Archdiocese"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>We are posting this article insofar as it appears that it could be analogous to the words of Our Lord in this Sunday&#8217;s Gospel: &#8216;When you see the abomination of desolation&#8230;standing in the holy place.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-940\" src=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/veritas-vincit-international.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/ecumenical-mass.jpg?resize=870%2C582&amp;ssl=1\" alt=\"ecumenical mass\" width=\"621\" height=\"415\" data-attachment-id=\"940\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/veritas-vincit-international.org\/2017\/09\/21\/catholics-and-non-catholics-receive-communion-together-in-ecumenical-mass-promoted-by-turin-archdiocese\/ecumenical-mass\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/veritas-vincit-international.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/ecumenical-mass.jpg?fit=870%2C582&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"870,582\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Ecumenical Mass in Archdiocese of Turin\" data-image-description=\"&lt;p&gt;The \u00e2\u20ac\u0153ecumenical mass\u00e2\u20ac\u009d promoted by the Archdiocese of Turin, Italy&lt;\/p&gt;\n\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/veritas-vincit-international.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/ecumenical-mass.jpg?fit=300%2C201&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/veritas-vincit-international.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/ecumenical-mass.jpg?fit=870%2C582&amp;ssl=1\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The group \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Spezzare il pane\u00e2\u20ac\u009d (\u00e2\u20ac\u0153Breaking the Bread\u00e2\u20ac\u009d) in the archdiocese of Turin, Italy, has officially started with the celebration of \u00e2\u20ac\u0153ecumenical masses\u00e2\u20ac\u009d where Holy Communion is distributed to Catholics and non-Catholics.<\/p>\n<p>The group is headed by Catholic priest Father Fredo Oliviero, an apologist for illegal immigration, who has the support of his archbishop, Monsignor Cesare Nosiglia. The practice of the group to distribute Holy Communion to non-Catholics, is openly promoted in the newspaper of the Turin Archdiocese \u00e2\u20ac\u0153La Voce e il Tempo\u00e2\u20ac\u009d.<\/p>\n<p>Among the members of the group are \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Catholics\u00e2\u20ac\u009d, Anglicans, Baptists, Waldensians and Lutherans. They gather once a month in one of their churches, where they celebrate a \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Eucharist\u00e2\u20ac\u009d according to the respective denomination, distributing \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Communion\u00e2\u20ac\u009d to everybody.<\/p>\n<p>It is now customary that once a month, the group meets in a Catholic, Lutheran, Waldensian, or Baptist church to share the \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Eucharist\u00e2\u20ac\u009d, partaking in worship or Mass \u00e2\u20ac\u201c officiated according to the liturgy of the host church.\u00c2\u00a0 According Fr. Fredo, the ecumenical ceremony replaces \u00e2\u20ac\u0153in the foreground the identity of Christians with respect to belonging to a specific Church.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d\u00c2\u00a0 He likewise said that the practice is spreading in other cities in Italy as well.<\/p>\n<p>The Catholic Church teaches that non-Catholics may not receive Communion because they do not share our belief in the doctrine of Eucharistic transubstantiation. According to transubstantiation, the bread and wine are actually transformed into the actual body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ, with only the appearances of bread and wine remaining.<\/p>\n<p>These developments, indeed, seem to be a corroboration of the various reputable <a href=\"https:\/\/veritas-vincit-international.org\/2016\/12\/10\/the-book-of-truth-a-critical-review\/\">prophecies<\/a> in recent times that predict the rise of a false church in the end times, just prior to the return of Jesus Christ. This false church, according to prophecy, \u00c2\u00a0will promote a false \u00e2\u20ac\u0153ecumenical mass\u00e2\u20ac\u009d that will deny the real presence of Jesus. \u00c2\u00a0These prophecies are likewise supported by the <a href=\"https:\/\/veritas-vincit-international.org\/2017\/07\/05\/chief-exorcist-father-amorth-padre-pio-said-that-the-third-secret-of-fatima-was-about-a-false-church-in-the-end-times\/\">testimony of the late Gabriel Amorth<\/a>, former chief exorcist of Rome, who said that Padre Pio told him that the third secret of Fatima refers to a false church that will rise in the end times.<\/p>\n<p><b>Not Required to Have a \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Single Thought\u00e2\u20ac\u009d on the Eucharist<\/b><\/p>\n<p>In an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lavocedeltempo.it\/Rubriche\/IDEE-E-OPINIONI\/Unita-nella-diversita-e-Ospitalita-eucaristica-due-proposte-un-cammino\">article<\/a> written by Breaking Bread Founder Fr. Fredo Olivero last May in Turin Archdiocese\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s official newspaper and <a href=\"http:\/\/lavocedeltempo.it\">website<\/a>, he said that attendees to the \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Ecumenical Mass\u00e2\u20ac\u009d are not required to have a \u00e2\u20ac\u0153single thought\u00e2\u20ac\u009d on the Eucharist: \u00e2\u20ac\u0153It is not required, in order to live together this event, to adhere to a \u00e2\u20ac\u02dcsingle thought\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 on the Eucharist, but rather to respect everyone for the thought of each.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d<\/p>\n<p>He also likewise cast doubt on the Doctrine of Transubstantiation of the Catholic Church, saying: \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Neither Jesus nor Paul explained the \u00e2\u20ac\u02dchow\u00e2\u20ac\u2122 of this presence [in the Eucharist], why then should we do it?\u00e2\u20ac\u009d<\/p>\n<p><b>Eucharistic \u00e2\u20ac\u0153interpretations\u00e2\u20ac\u009d not part of the Gospel?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Aside from support from his bishop, Fr. Fredo likewise claims that Pope Francis supports this concept of an \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Ecumenical Mass\u00e2\u20ac\u009d.\u00c2\u00a0 In the same article in the Turin Archdiocesan newspaper, Fr. Fredo recalls the visit of Pope Francis on June 22, 2015 to Turin Italy.\u00c2\u00a0 Pope Francis then became the first pope in history to visit a Waldensian evangelical church, and in that trip, asked Waldensian Christians for forgiveness for their past \u00e2\u20ac\u0153persecution\u00e2\u20ac\u009d from the Catholic Church.<\/p>\n<p>Fr. Fredo recalls that on the occasion of that papal visit, Pope Francis did not refute or deny the point of view raised by the moderator, Eugenio Bernardini, who pointed out that the various \u00e2\u20ac\u0153interpretations\u00e2\u20ac\u009d on the Eucharist were not part of the Gospel.\u00c2\u00a0 Fr. Fredo quotes Bernardini, who then said in the presence of the Pope and Waldensian ministers and Christians:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Among the things we have in common are the words that Jesus gave on the occasion of the last supper, \u00e2\u20ac\u0153I\u00c2\u00a0 am the bread\u00e2\u20ac\u00a6 and the wine.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d\u00c2\u00a0 The interpretations of those words are different between the churches and within each of them.\u00c2\u00a0But what unites the Christians gathered around the table of Jesus are the bread and wine that He offers us and His words, not our interpretations that are not part of the Gospel.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>He said that unlike previous pontiffs who had \u00e2\u20ac\u0153solved the question [on the Eucharistic presence] precisely\u00e2\u20ac\u009d, Pope Francis admitted that could not solve the Eucharistic question precisely himself, because he was moving the Church from an authoritarian decision-making model, to a more \u00e2\u20ac\u0153synodal\u00e2\u20ac\u009d model.<\/p>\n<p><b>Pope Francis Says to Lutheran Woman to \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Go Forward\u00e2\u20ac\u009d and Receive Communion<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Fr. Fredo likewise recalled the answer given by Pope Francis to a question posed to him by a Lutheran lady during his visit to a Lutheran church in Rome on November 15, 2015. During the question-and-answer session after a joint prayer service with Lutherans, Anke de Bernardinis told Pope Francis that she was married to a Catholic and that she and her husband share many \u00e2\u20ac\u0153joys and sorrows\u00e2\u20ac\u009d in life, but not Communion at church. \u00e2\u20ac\u0153What can we do on this point to finally attain Communion?\u00e2\u20ac\u009d\u00c2\u00a0she asked.<\/p>\n<p>The Pope responded by saying to the Lutheran woman to \u00e2\u20ac\u0153talk to the Lord and then go forward\u00e2\u20ac\u009d, suggesting that she could receive Communion in the Catholic Church:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>To your question, I can only respond with a question: What can I do with my husband, so that the Lord\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s Supper accompanies me on my path? It is a problem that everyone has to answer, but a pastor-friend once told me: \u00e2\u20ac\u0153We believe that the Lord is present there, he is present. You all believe that the Lord is present. And so what\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s the difference?\u00e2\u20ac\u009d\u00e2\u20ac\u201d\u00e2\u20ac\u0153Eh, there are explanations, interpretations.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d Life is bigger than explanations and interpretations.<\/p>\n<p>Always refer back to baptism. \u00e2\u20ac\u0153One faith, one baptism, one Lord.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d This is what Paul tells us, and from there take the consequences.<\/p>\n<p>I would never dare to give permission for this, because it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s not my jurisdiction. \u00e2\u20ac\u0153One baptism, one Lord, one faith.\u00e2\u20ac\u009d <b>Talk to the Lord and then go forward<\/b>. I don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t dare to say anything more.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>by Paul Simeon, Veritas<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We are posting this article insofar as it appears that it could be analogous to the words of Our Lord in this Sunday&#8217;s Gospel: &#8216;When you see the abomination of desolation&#8230;standing in the holy place.&#8221; The group \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Spezzare il pane\u00e2\u20ac\u009d (\u00e2\u20ac\u0153Breaking the Bread\u00e2\u20ac\u009d) in the archdiocese of Turin, Italy, has officially started with the celebration [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1528","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1528","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1528"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1528\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1528"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1528"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.latinliturgy.org\/phila\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1528"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}